Wednesday, February 28, 2007

I feel like a lunatic posting this, oh well

4:24 PM Posted by: M., 6 comments

Why does everyone talk about how MERCIFUL God is and how we DESERVE to burn in Hell? We did NOT ask to be born!

Okay, I have heard for so long that we are all sinners and we deserve death and God is so merciful for not letting us just go to Hell or not just instantly smiting us, etc. but seriously we did not ask to be created!!!

If morality is something that either is God, or gauged by God, then he just made it or was it, and then created us and all of the sudden we have to do what he wants, or we get death--and he is SO great for not killing us instantly--but I am sorry, I did not ask to be made a human--that was God's he creates us in a world HE designed knowing full well that there would be sin, and then we get fucked over because we found ourselves here and are trying to live?

We are doing what people say battered women do--we are measured up to arbitrary expectations and then when we don't follow them and suffer, we blame ourselves and plea for the mercy of our controller--only to continue in this cycle of abuse. That may be a terrible analogy, and this may be a really poorly explained idea, but I still feel it.


HeIsSailing said...

Marie, I think you are right, in that we are both on the same path on our spiritual journey of faith, and think a lot about similar things. I bet most doubting Christians think of similar things.
I am writing another article similar to this, but it won't be ready for a while (I do write very slowly). Basically, I read a story about Saddam Hussein after he was executed, detailing his crimes. I want to compare those crimes, to how God of the Bible treats the bulk of humanity. If you stop and consider it, the similarities are quite shocking..!! I'll put it on my site soon - stay tooooned.

Agnosis said...

Good thoughts. I don't think most christians believe in the god they logically profess. Those who see the logical conclusions of their dogmas and refuse to hide behind "mystery" are the ones with serious doubts. The analogy of abused women is very intriguing, I wonder if there are any psychological models of comparison that have been done on people who believe.

Ed Lynam said...

Hi, Marie,
I saw your post with agnosis, and had also been going through a questioning period, albeit not as intense as yours in the past year... I have recently been intrigued with Origen, the Alexandrian theologian of the pre-Constantine church. One of the concepts he (and many others) adhered to was apocatastasis. I also have struggled with the traditional version of hell out of the Roman Catholic, now Protestant, tradition. The Eastern Orthodox actually have a better concept. Anyway, I think that a lot of what the Bible says is a narrative that if intended by God to communicate to man, has to be able to span the diverse cultures and personalities of the ages. In that case, there are many aspects of what we read that could be hard for us to relate to. For example, the idea of ceremonial laws might help a tribal society with such laws relate to Jesus, but don't help me at all. Another example is the warfare descriptions. Was it the "best of all possible worlds" outcome for a mass of former illiterate, abused slaves to attack and destroy the cruel, warlike nations of Palestine in order to help bring the first monotheistic culture? In the same way, don't we justify the dropping of nuclear weapons on Hiroshima, in order to demilitarize a nation which previously glorified conquest, and also save countless other lives in a prolonged conflict? Anyway, it seems that you are progressing into a different stage of spiritual development (like James Fowler described) than the Christians around you. Well, let me leave you with a link to some writings by a fellow I've found to have a great spiritual outlook. He was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, and is the founder of my professional society, the American Psychiatric Association: .

Ed Lynam said...

The link looks cut off, here it is:

Ed Lynam said...

Sorry, the link is to Benjamin Rush, who seems to have held an admixture of various Christian beliefs which he found from a lifetime of experience, thought, relationship, observation, and reflection. He was a friend of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, and helped Merriweather Lewis prepare for the expedition.

JumpingFromConclusions said...

I have thought of many of these same things. I have heard many people use the argument that everyone deserves to go to hell, so if God saves only a few, then that shows His mercy. A big struggle in my faith is trying to figure out why we have no choice for whether to live or not, then there is no way for us not to sin, and then we may end up suffering forever.

In case you are wondering who I am, I am someone going through a new phase in my faith, just trying to answer questions for myself. So I am similar to you in many regards. I just (very) recently started my own blog, and you are welcome to visit it and comment on it if you like, as is anyone else who reads this.