Wednesday, February 21, 2007

10:27 PM Posted by: M., 6 comments

this was an interesting post from Edge of Faith...the last part is something I have been thinking about a lot too.

I KNOW faith is all you have, and deep down you "know" something you believe the rest of society doesn't know, but that obviously isn't enough to make your god any more believable than the next god. I am all delighted for you that you genuinely believe INSPITE of the lack of evidence, but your delusion is no different than that of the lunatic who genuinely believes he/she has been abducted by aliens. Of course, you can get a long way in convincing me that you are not delusional or crazy by admitting that you have NO/ZERO evidence to support the existence of your particular god. But let's not pretend you have ANY evidence in support of your god.
And THAT is my main problem with your god and gods in general. Why are gods so elusive? Why doesn't your god show himself to me IF he is as interested in "saving" my soul as you suggest? Can you imagine a parent playing such a "hide and seek" game with his children? Don't peddle your god as a father of any kind, because NO father is this cruel to his own offspring.So, where do YOU go from here?


6 comments:

Becky said...

I wonder what kind of god she wants to see? Even when god shows himself people still do not believe.

Bobo B'nai said...

Think of how much faith we exercise every day;

The chair you sit in at a new restaurant or job interview.

The 80 hours we put in for the promise of a paycheck that may cash at a bank that gives money with only a promised value from a government that has demonstrated its fiscal irresponsibility regularly.

The pilot of a plane or the driver of a bus or cab you don't even know.

Food from many different sources that we eat, never thinking of its source and potential toxicity.

In light of these and countless other incidents that we can't even begin to list, we'd be hard pressed to be found innocent of practicing faith in a court of law.

Blessings, BC

marie said...

thanks for the comments guys

I guess we do use a certain type of faith everyday--but if we never used faith, we'd just have to be blobs of liquid on the ground. I feel kind of like Edge of Faith--like faith is great and I have had it before, but I think that we rely too much on faith--we let big, important, critical questions go unasked and then just attribute the gap to faith. I cant do that. I feel like God relies on us too much to have faith--we have a tainted christianity with a lot of bad people publicly representing it and an arguably flawed text...therefore this "faith" has to pick up ALL that slack? I just don't buy it right now.

eddie{F} said...

I wonder what kind of god she wants to see? Even when god shows himself people still do not believe.
Not to be funny here, but please do tell me how god (I assume you are a Christian) shows himself every day? Am I missing something? I just want to see a god for whom there is empirical evidence. Is that too much asked for? Why can god only work through faith? If god is so magnificent, why all the confusion about who he is, and where to find him? Why is his silence so deafening?

The chair you sit in at a new restaurant or job interview.
I don’t need an iota of faith to sit on my chair. It’s there, I can look at it, I can touch it, I can feel it, and same with the job interview. You sit across someone, and they make an educated decision on whether to hire you or not. No faith needed. You either get it, or you don’t.

The 80 hours we put in for the promise of a paycheck that may cash at a bank that gives money with only a promised value from a government that has demonstrated its fiscal irresponsibility regularly.
Again, this has nothing to do with faith. It’s a contractual agreement between two parties for which you don’t need faith. If they stop paying you, you sue them. You don’t have to wonder or guess about it. No faith required.

The pilot of a plane or the driver of a bus or cab you don't even know.
They get trained for the job, and they have to write exams in order to operate those vehicles. No faith required – we know exactly how the principles of aero dynamics works and ever since Henry Ford invented the car we have kept improving how they operate, and how we interact with them. There is solid science (evidence) behind how those machines work.

Food from many different sources that we eat, never thinking of its source and potential toxicity.
I suppose that’s why your mom taught you to wash your food, and to cook it. It’s the reason why the FDA monitors food in this country. What exactly do you need faith for? We KNOW exactly what happens when we DO eat food that is off. We KNOW the consequences of such food, because we can study it under a microscope. No faith required. Buy organic.

In light of these and countless other incidents that we can't even begin to list, we'd be hard pressed to be found innocent of practicing faith in a court of law.
Sorry, but I think you are missing the point. Everything you listed can be studied and analyzed and we can come to reasonable conclusions about them, one way or the other. Unfortunately, we cannot do that about the Jewish, Christian, Muslim or most other gods. They have not left us with a shred of evidence for their existence. Most gods is an oxymoron, given the terms in which people describe them.

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And Marie, thanks for posting this excerpt and for commenting on my blog. I got tired of making “god” work, and it felt like collusion in my mind every single day. Apart from the “faith” I whipped up to convince myself that god was out there, listening and caring, I must say, I called him on his bluff, and he lost. When I stopped using my “faith” to make the whole charade work, only then did I realize that “god” was all the product of my own mind and imagination. Kinda like losing your imaginary friend after kindergarten. So, I don’t have enough “faith” to be a Christian …
Good luck on your journey.
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marie said...

Hey Eddie,
thanks so much for posting that. I admire your ability to phrase the way you feel in such clear and real terms. And what you said makes more sense to me than church has for my entire life.

Becky said...

Eddie,

I don't know how much to share here because if I share what I have experienced or what I have seen in my life would that be God to you? Would you believe and/or discount it? I know what I have scene, I know what I have heard, and I know what I have experienced. I cannot prove it to you nor argue to reason.

Trust me, I have journeyed a long road. I rejected the faith, doubted the faith (still doubt), and walked away but there was always a draw that wouldn't let me go. I've been to hell and back and seen both realms. Can I prove this to you? No I cannot.

One of the reasons, (I believe) that God does not reveal His being is because of His Holiness.

I know this probably raises more questions than answers. I am not here to argue but to really listen to what other people have to say and sometimes along the way I ask a question.


becky